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Dedicated OpenLDAP GUI?
Saturday, November 3. 2007
We know there are various desktop apps like gq, Jxplorer etc. and web based like gosa and phpldapadmin, but do we want a GUI specfically tailored for OpenLDAP?
Suretec do.
So, what style?
Suretec do.
So, what style?
We've already done a nice Web 2.0 style app using Catalyst, Dojo and PostgreSQL. Why not one like that or Google Desktop?
Probably speed. Loading up LDIF data etc may be too slow.
It would probably have to be something OS independent and written in C or C++
I would prefer using C for making use of libldap for possibly a benchmark suite to include in the app with a plugin API for others to contribute. Then you could use GTK+. I don't know, these are just minor details really, feature set is the key here.
So I'm thinking of features like:
- Standard LDAP[?] stuff
- OpenLDAP Configuration Wizard
- Monitoring stats and graphs
- Tuning wizard
- Benchmark wizard
- Importing from various sources
- many more etc..
The interesting thing about the import part is you could then hook up to various Social Web Apps to get address book info and then import that to your directory. Just a thought.
The main thing I want is configuration tools for cn=config made easy and monitoring with stats etc.
I know it's all just LDIF and LDAP and that you can use any existing GUI, but it would be nice to dumb this down a bit for clients and not find different solutions all over the place for handling the same old task.
But should this be a fresh new app, or could we add to say gq. It might be worth looking into to speed things up.
Feel free to add your comments.
Gavin.
Probably speed. Loading up LDIF data etc may be too slow.
It would probably have to be something OS independent and written in C or C++
I would prefer using C for making use of libldap for possibly a benchmark suite to include in the app with a plugin API for others to contribute. Then you could use GTK+. I don't know, these are just minor details really, feature set is the key here.
So I'm thinking of features like:
- Standard LDAP[?] stuff
- OpenLDAP Configuration Wizard
- Monitoring stats and graphs
- Tuning wizard
- Benchmark wizard
- Importing from various sources
- many more etc..
The interesting thing about the import part is you could then hook up to various Social Web Apps to get address book info and then import that to your directory. Just a thought.
The main thing I want is configuration tools for cn=config made easy and monitoring with stats etc.
I know it's all just LDIF and LDAP and that you can use any existing GUI, but it would be nice to dumb this down a bit for clients and not find different solutions all over the place for handling the same old task.
But should this be a fresh new app, or could we add to say gq. It might be worth looking into to speed things up.
Feel free to add your comments.
Gavin.
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Lack of GUI tool to manage world's fastest Directory server is a major reason why people shy away from using OpenLDAP in enterprise.
Please add features you'd like to see.
In addition to features you already mention I would like to see easy ACL management.
Komal
wxPerl would help you build a multi-plateform application.
(I can also advertise Catalyst-Engine-Wx which would help you build that application and eventually make it possible to run it both on the desktop an on the web).
Thanks.
Eriam
It did get my imagination going.
Can a whole app with Wx Engine be used via par?
It's is experimental atm but it'll hopefully get cleaner soon.
And I think running this via PAR would be possible, I've not tried already though.
Eriam
Snce we already have some Catalyst stuff at work, including models using LDAP (for DNS entries using sdb_ldap, user management, DHCP and sudo management on the way), Catalyst/wxPerl makes sense. However, it is quite a heavy stack to require as the admin tool for OpenLDAP (just the perl modules required for this may outweigh the entire OpenLDAP source code base), compared to a more "native" stack such as Wx or Qt4.
The question is whether Model::LDAP is up to it while using Net::LDAP, or whether it's time to port Model::LDAP to Net::LDAPapi
Of course, licensing is also a consideration ... which may have ruled Qt4 out from the start.
Cross Platform?
License?
The license then helps us choose the GUI Toolkit, e.g. if it's not GPL, no QT4, which also helps us choose the language bindings.
Designed correctly, using Catalyst (MVC), a config change could just switch the Engine/View/Controller etc, from web to desktop (Wx).
It might be quite slow though, as you indicate in your Model::LDAP comment. But again, this could either be a config setting for that model to switch to Net::LDAPapi, or a new Model::LDAP_XS etc.
I've already done a nice Dojo Tree via JSON ldap search app against cn=config, so that's a start. There is also http://sosa.sf.net, which we've not released or done anything with since last year.
FYI, this is what the dependencies for Catalyst::Engine::Wx are:
http://cpandeps.cantrell.org.uk/?module=Catalyst%3A%3ARuntime
Hmm....
Something like pgadmin sounds the way to go.
there is the PAR solution (which will work, I'm pretty sure) and also the PAR::WebStart solution that can help
thanks
A lot of code has been referenced from http://ldaptool.sf.net (ldapexplorertool-2.0.1) where neccessary. See my latest comment.
We went ahead and started using wxWidgets, C++ and ldapc++
So that means it works on GNU/Linux, Windows and Mac.
It's still very alpha and is worked on an hour or so a day, if time permits.
Grab the screens for some early shots from last month:
http://www.suretecsystems.com/sosa.zip
We currently hooking controls together etc....slowly. But it's fresh, modelled on the bits we like from all the offerings out there and will do things just for OpenLDAP.
Gavin.
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